Subject	I dont "really" know the answer to that. I can only say
Posted by	Ash's Z on September 17, 2008 at 5:27 PM
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In Reply To	Are you saying AMS didn't copy the MSP design? posted by BigTDogg (MA) on September 17, 2008 at 04:27 PM
Message	that if they are "copies", they are a pretty poor reproduction based on what I see in the pictures. My comment about my die grinder meeting an early death was a bit far-fetched - the fact is that it really wouldn't require all that much work to have made those manifolds worthy of bolting to any engine.. but that would require that the individual reponsible for installing them would have access to those particular tools and time to address the shortcomings those manifolds have upon arrival. I mean, if I really wanted to, I could spend a few minutes at the beach and dig out some sand and produce a casting with teh same finish.. Would you buy it? :) [ ashspecz.com ] [ agpowers@bellsouth.net ] Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast? If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor. Albert Einstein
Follow Ups	AMS Manifold / SZ Turbo Kit (interference) - tech@EPR 21:33:12 09/16/08 Just goes to show that AMS may not be cheaper in the long - Dustin 21:41:00 09/16/08 Looks like you will need a spacer to clear the - Red Baron Z 21:41:06 09/16/08 your customer has chosen poorly - aliaZ 22:30:30 09/16/08 Re: AMS Manifold / SZ Turbo Kit (interference) - Vuk@Absolute Motorsports Inc. 22:57:28 09/16/08 GFY. (n/m) - John B. (NJ) 23:01:10 09/16/08 Re: GFY. - The Hawk 23:06:34 09/16/08 GVY - Bret (Generation Z) 23:12:47 09/16/08 Re: GFY. - V8Killah 23:25:47 09/16/08 says the guy with the myspace page (n/m) - aliaZ 23:29:27 09/16/08 owned. (n/m) - nemo1080 (Iowa) 23:46:37 09/16/08 Re: says the guy with the myspace page - V8Killah 23:54:58 09/16/08 says the self-proclaimed "killah" (n/m) - LJZTT 23:59:23 09/16/08 Re: says the self-proclaimed "killah" - V8Killah 00:03:41 09/17/08 No, he just wants to get a laugh in at you too. - xAzraelx 00:27:01 09/17/08 groupie, lol, that was almost as good as my line - LJZTT 00:46:16 09/17/08 2nd. (n/m) - nemo1080 (Iowa) 13:00:50 09/17/08 Why do you assume the worst? - na300zx (OH) 08:55:36 09/17/08 Yeah...maybe thats what i meant... - John B. (NJ) 11:56:44 09/17/08 You've only got 1800 hits on here, you're probably not up - BigTDogg (MA) 10:32:57 09/17/08 lol (n/m) - Ahmed (Chicago) 11:56:37 09/17/08 That's right!! He's the shephard - jschrauwen 21:29:10 09/17/08 Go ahead and tell me he didnt steal the SZ design... (n/m) - John B. (NJ) 21:42:06 09/17/08 You still here? Let it go John ....LOL (n/m) - jschrauwen 22:34:28 09/17/08 Let it go??? - BigTDogg (MA) 22:48:39 09/17/08 Let it go Doggy (n/m) - jschrauwen 04:33:34 09/18/08 You sound like a broken record - jschrauwen 04:48:59 09/18/08 you're an idiot - aliaZ 06:59:09 09/18/08 here's the REALLY funny part - ZEngineer 08:49:35 09/18/08 And this is coming from a wanna-be engineer? - jschrauwen 12:23:54 09/18/08 fair enough, here's some "advice and guidance": Go away (n/m) - ZEngineer 13:38:52 09/18/08 I'm personally going to VTD everything you post everywhere - BigTDogg (MA) 09:42:40 09/18/08 I know exactly how you feel. - John B. (NJ) 10:59:40 09/18/08 I did that for a while, but it didn't do any good - na300zx (OH) 11:04:56 09/18/08 Whats wrong? - John B. (NJ) 11:01:53 09/18/08 = Good For You :) (n/m) - jschrauwen 22:39:24 09/17/08 Wrong. - John B. (NJ) 11:02:31 09/18/08 LOL, what a joke. (n/m) - jschrauwen 12:24:46 09/18/08 lol!!!!!!!! - nemo1080 (Iowa) 23:47:54 09/16/08 Re: lol!!!!!!!! - dswtflip4u 23:52:34 09/16/08 Da da da da da... ruffles...da da da da da... nachos... (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 10:24:02 09/17/08 Sorry but this is funny - collegeboy 15:36:09 09/17/08 Are you serious? - jschrauwen 21:04:02 09/17/08 GFY. - John B. (NJ) 21:09:09 09/17/08 Poor johnny, let it go. It'll be your undoing. (n/m) - jschrauwen 21:10:29 09/17/08 I see your higher education really isn't serving you much. - jschrauwen 21:14:57 09/17/08 Sometimes people cant comprehend the more intelligent - John B. (NJ) 21:38:18 09/17/08 LOL, let it go John (n/m) - jschrauwen 22:38:22 09/17/08 Let what go? - John B. (NJ) 11:06:53 09/18/08 admitting defeat :( (n/m) - amp300zx 22:49:31 09/18/08 It's true... - Jehannum 09:09:39 09/18/08 Lol. - John B. (NJ) 11:09:53 09/18/08 LOL, but you can't. - jschrauwen 12:27:18 09/18/08 Only to you though... - John B. (NJ) 17:29:08 09/18/08 Wow, you really believe that don't you? (n/m) - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 22:24:19 09/17/08 sad, isn't it? - aliaZ 22:42:47 09/17/08 Wow, this is really getting funny. - jschrauwen 12:28:55 09/18/08 damn you're dumb - aliaZ 20:24:32 09/18/08 he can't comprehend because hes not willing to - amp300zx 22:53:03 09/18/08 What are you, 6 years old?? - BigTDogg (MA) 22:54:04 09/17/08 Looks like Big T like to chomp on AMS as well ... LOL. (n/m) - jschrauwen 12:32:26 09/18/08 They have a lot of time on their hands since R&D is done - Spee 23:31:14 09/17/08 Unfortunately that's not the reason they don't sponsor. (n/m) - jschrauwen 12:34:01 09/18/08 The products DO speak for themselves you friggin tool - BigTDogg (MA) 11:53:48 09/18/08 All your bantering about AMS manifolds will do nothing - jschrauwen 12:41:40 09/18/08 Negative attention helps business? - John B. (NJ) 17:30:58 09/18/08 We should find out the metal composition soon. - na300zx (OH) 08:17:50 09/19/08 15 defending responses for ams which makes you ams's Bitch! - Spongerider :) 17:31:30 09/18/08 Or it makes me less critical then some here. - jschrauwen 22:50:29 09/18/08 No, just ams whore. :GoldStar: (n/m) - Spongerider :) 11:01:15 09/19/08 Will it interfere with either manifold due to the astonishin - amp300zx 19:54:57 09/17/08 Are you kidding me? - John B. (NJ) 22:59:52 09/16/08 that made me LOL. (n/m) - Halo Z 23:07:44 09/16/08 lol can we sticky this? ROFL (n/m) - zyoulater 23:54:53 09/16/08 ROFL! (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 01:56:36 09/17/08 Re: Are you kidding me? - tech@EPR 06:36:13 09/17/08 I think you will have to do some grinding either way - Ashman2k2 11:43:20 09/17/08 Perhaps i was a bit harsh...but its true. - John B. (NJ) 11:55:27 09/17/08 I have to grind material off my MS manifolds also to clear. - collegeboy 23:35:29 09/16/08 Mike Smith is revising the casting - aliaZ 23:54:32 09/16/08 lol - Bret (Generation Z) 00:01:28 09/17/08 Pretty high when you are dealing with the same - AZHeat 00:08:08 09/17/08 The 5 or so sets I've install did NOT. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 10:57:53 09/17/08 Were your installs with the sz900 kit though? (n/m) - 91Z32TT 11:13:28 09/17/08 You've installed 5 sets of MS manis with SZ Turbo Combos? - collegeboy 11:14:44 09/17/08 Not all turbo models have the same housing size. - AZHeat 13:13:30 09/17/08 I used two gaskets on the SZ inconel and my bigger - AZHeat 23:45:15 09/16/08 use a spacer, duh (n/m) - Dane (Houston) 00:21:35 09/17/08 Re: AMS Manifold / SZ Turbo Kit (interference) - WazTTed 04:45:28 09/17/08 Your pics don't show a gasket between the two. You may - SlicktopTT 07:38:23 09/17/08 "the AMS manifold they do not debur or roll edge any of the - Scotts94z32 12:00:24 09/17/08 I will say that those - Ash's Z 15:45:52 09/17/08 Are you saying AMS didn't copy the MSP design? - BigTDogg (MA) 16:27:30 09/17/08 I took it as the latter - na300zx (OH) 16:31:50 09/17/08 I dont "really" know the answer to that. I can only say - Ash's Z 17:27:48 09/17/08 "..manifolds dont even come close to being called "copies"" - jschrauwen 16:35:34 09/18/08 Life must be tough for you, with an IQ of 80 or so, huh? (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 17:16:51 09/18/08 Points and LOLs. Ash's credibility comes into question every - Dave N 17:43:07 09/18/08 Dang Dave, coming out to Cali has given you some - Spongerider :) 18:03:10 09/18/08 *wave* Hi Dean! - Dave N 18:13:17 09/18/08 Let's get some Hooters and do some Go Carting soon? - Spongerider :) 18:24:55 09/18/08 umm...no - aliaZ 23:18:13 09/18/08 damn - Bezza 06:33:27 09/19/08 This line seems fairly clear to me... - BigTDogg (MA) 10:09:46 09/19/08 Re: I will say that those - tech@EPR 22:04:18 09/17/08 Just seal that hole up with JB Weld. - jcieslik 16:43:48 09/17/08
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